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5: How Matthew Vines’ Video Undervalues Homosexuals

Furthermore, the presenter’s claim at this point that teaching that homosexual sex is sinful, and results in “emotional and spiritual devastation, and to the loss of self-esteem and self-worth” does not align with the broader message of the Bible. Certainly, Jesus’ limiting the options to either life-long heterosexual marriage or the life of a eunuch, is spelled out as difficult to accept by some (Matthew 19), as are some of his other teachings. Records indicate that in the 2nd century, at least some were interpreting the reference to eunuchs as including men who are not attracted to women (ref. Clement of Alexandria) and the interpretation that the term includes homosexuals, is shared by some today (EG2EG3, EG4). And there is nothing in the Bible that implies that same-sex attracted people or eunuchs have no worth. In fact one eunuch is described in the Bible as an “important official” (Acts 8:27) who is welcomed into the church, as were repentant eunuchs in the Old Testament (Isaiah 56). In any case, looking inwards for your sense of self-worth is an unchristian act. A Christian is supposed to let go of their own desires and pride, and instead, put their hope in God working through them rather than in their own abilities.

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4 Comments on “5: How Matthew Vines’ Video Undervalues Homosexuals”

  1. bk13 says:

    Any conversation on mental illness (including depression) should not have a Christian stance of “letting go” and “putting their hope in God” without recognizing the things I will bring up later. Yes God is the answer, but depression (low self worth, low self esteem, suicide) are real things to deal with. It is ludicrous to not acknowledge the struggle that people face. It is similar to saying that let go of drug addiction and praying is the simple answer. You can pray to God while you work on those things. It is not a overnight process. Obviously there is a struggle, my own church have to deal with every sin in the book. The church is a hospital and while people are ‘letting go of their own desires and pride”, I agree with the youtube videos that Christians should not be rejecting by any means. All has sin and again the church is a hospital. I do not care if the person was a drugged out prostitute, I am not about to make that person feel uncomfortable in the church. Bring those to Christ through love not fear of hell.

    • stasisonline says:

      I agree that depression is a real thing to deal with, bk13. Depression comes in various levels of extent. At one end of the scale, I guess you have people who are suicidal or too depressed to get out of bed and function. And at the other end of the scale, you have people who are still fully functional, but who momentarily feel a bit down, discouraged, or burdened. Those at the serious end of the scale need medical assistance. I dont think my post argues anything analogous to advocating solving a drug addiction by prayer alone. A Christian can put their hope in God, while obtaining medical assistance at the same time. I suggest that putting your hope in God is fundamental to being a Christian. If a Christian does not put their hope in God, this implies that they dont perceive God as being in charge.

      In regards to not making people feel uncomfortable in church, I agree with you a little, but not a lot. I guess it depends on the situation. Some people say that the job of a pastor is to “comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable.” IE a pastor would hopefully be welcoming and comforting to a drugged out prostitute when first meeting them, but if the prostitute continues to turn up to church drugged out, the pastor should afflict them in the sense of lovingly encouraging them to change, to follow Christian principles rather than abusing drugs and their bodies. If sin is never criticised in a church, then the church comes to match the outside world and is no longer a church set apart to honour God.

      It seems to me that the presenter is saying that to refer to aspects of homosexuality as sinful, is emotionally harmful and leaves some people feeling as though they are worthless. He seems to imply that the solution is to not criticise it. My response is that:
      (1) the Bible quite possibly depicts those who experience same-sex-attraction as being quite worthy, and that they need not feel worthless. If they are feeling worthless, they probably dont understand what the Bible teaches about self-worth.
      (2) being a Christian involves sacrifice and a bit of hardship. That’s just what following Jesus requires.

      Thanks for your feedback, bk13.

      • bk13 says:

        Eunuch do not necessarily mean same-sex attraction. In fact, it often (or always) mean no sexuality due to some ‘medical’ procedure.

        Lets tackle the word Christian while we are at it. So your use of christian is one where it is absolute. (based on this statement: . I suggest that putting your hope in God is fundamental to being a Christian. If a Christian does not put their hope in God, this implies that they dont perceive God as being in charge.”) What I mean is that it comes off as if christian should put their hope in God if they perceive God as being in charge. let me know if I am wrong. BUT in real life, people deal with a lot of things and that degree of Christianity represents a few. Instead, many people trust God for this and worry about that. They may pray for a healthy baby, but still have anxiety about it. What I mean is that I do not think that there exist a person where they put all hope in God. But I think it is okay, i think that it is okay for people who just converted to not fully be on board, I think it is okay for longtime Christians to question and rebuild their faith. Thus, I do not think it is wrong for a homosexual to worry and it is an understanding reaction that this population deal with worth, esteem issues. Empirical studies suggest that any marginalized population deal with stress related to their identity. So gay christian, women in general, race, poor, etc are examples. It would be ludicrous to think that a person is not putting their hope in God simply because they deal with self-esteem issues. Often, self esteem is related to how other people feel about you. We learn this at a very youth age. (reference to Brown v Board of Education doll study). I agree with your 2 point Being a christian involves sacrifice and a bit of hardship. So is it okay for christian to worry and deal with conflict, or if they do would it mean that they are not ‘fundamentally’ Christians? in general, using the phrase ‘putting hope in God’ is vague. Not vague because of what it means, but vague because of what it would LOOK like… The man in the video sounds like an upstanding Christian but may still deal with self-esteem problems due to years of mistreatment and discrimination. This stuff starts in childhood.

        My personal viewpoint on Christians is that we come to church every sunday to learn about God and to read and reread the Bible. We are all sinners. We are following Christ, but it does not mean that we do not make mistakes/ or sin. The thing about homosexuality and ‘comforting’ them in church vs not, is that people are dying. Suicide, homicide and the fact that the most hate crimes are committed against this group in America. In other countries, it is a capital punishment. What would be the point of gays being Christians if they believed that they were born this way and that it would be no way of getting into heaven? Ironically, many of the ‘heroes’ of the Bible dealt with sexual sins but were still deem men of God. My fear is that the way Christian is dealing with homosexuality will go in history as something similar to how we dealt with using the bible for slavery, justifying killings, sexism, etc. That is my real fear. All of those things were ‘backed up’ with scriptures. smh.

      • stasisonline says:

        bk13, I agree that when the Bible refers to eunuchs it is not necessarily referring to same-sex attraction. I believe that the word does not primarily refer to sexual attraction, but I suspect that sexual attraction may be included as a possible secondary meaning. Matthew 19 indicates that there are different categories of eunuchs. Webster’s Revised Unabridged Dictionary defines the word to mean “1. (n.) A male of the human species castrated; commonly, one of a class of such persons, in Oriental countries, having charge of the women’s apartments. Some of them, in former times, gained high official rank.” And many Bible dictionaries state that eunuchs were not always castrated. A quick Google of the subject leads me to conclude that castration tends to greatly reduce sexual desire, but not eliminate it. Interestingly, Ive known a man with Klinefelter’s syndrome, who was unable to ejaculate, but he told me that he still had sexual desire.

        Different people do define ‘Christian’ differently. Some people define it exclusively on Jesus’ advocacy for love. I define it according to the Bible, which depicts Jesus as saying a lot about what he expects from his followers. He said the core principles are loving God and loving others (Mark 12). Loving God means obeying Him and having faith in Him (Ephesians 2:8, Romans 6). Youre right that many Christians still worry, and still accidentally sin in other ways, even though the Bible tells them not to. It’s hard not to worry.

        Suicide is a big problem, and unfortunately some Christians contribute to the problem by not expressing love. I think some Christians perceive the sin of homosexual sex to be so big that when they condemn it, they forget that they are referring to real people who have feelings that get hurt. Also many Christians still assume that homosexual orientation is a choice, while homosexuals usually feel it is not a choice, so they perceive Christian condemnation to be very mean. I think you are correct that the Christian attitude toward homosexual sex will go down in history in a negative way, as has happened with slavery, gender politics etc. The Bible states that the ways and principles of the world are not the ways and principles of God. The Bible states that the world will disagree with, reject and hate those who follow Christian principles (Luke 6:22, Matthew 24:9).

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