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Matthew Vines Still Receiving Uncritical Media Attention, Still Misleading People

Matthew Vines continues to play the news media like a well controlled musical instrument, while continuing to spread incorrect notions about homosexuality and the Bible.

His victims even include the southern people of Alabama, who in February were presented with propaganda in the form of an ‘article‘ in which, online, included no cross examination of his heresies, promoted his website, and had a photo of his book that was so large, that you might mistake the piece as an advertisement.

Vines is quoted as making one of his most shockingly false statement ever, saying –

My main argument is not that [St] Paul was wrong, but that the very conception of what long-term, committed same-sex relationships are now did not exist in the ancient world. … The concept of same-sex relationships between social equals was not conceivable. … Paul in Romans 1 is condemning sexual excess, the use of sex for lustfulness. He was talking about lust and self-seeking excess.

The dubious nature of Vine’s claim is revealed by the historical record. The book A Little Gay History, from the British Museum, informs that even before Jesus, in Athens in the 5th to 4th centuries BC, sexual relationships between men were celebrated. The book explains (p. 46) that –

Like most social relationships there, these were structured by age, and the ideal beloved was a young man around eighteen or nineteen years old, but there is also evidence for lasting relationships between older men.

Note the section “there is also evidence for lasting relationships”. The book also cites a fictional story from that era, called The Symposium, which includes homosexual references, including references to homosexual couples as “lovers and loved” – a portrayal that seems far more than the simply lustful understanding that Vines says was on St Paul’s mind. The book also cites the second century Greek writer Lucian, who wrote in one of his fictional dialogues, of a woman named Leana where Leana’s friend says to her –

we’ve been hearing strange things about you Leana. They say that Megilla … is in love with you just like a man, that you live with each other, and do goodness knows what together.

The book says Leana blushes and admits to having been seduced by a woman who had married a woman. Again, the ancient authors portray homosexuality as involving ongoing relationship and even marriage, contradicting Vines’ claims.

Historian Flavious Josephus, like St Paul, lived in the first century and being Jewish, is likely to have shared the same cultural perspectives as Paul, the writer of much of the Bible. In Against Apion, Book II (section 25), Josephus wrote in the context of a section about marriage, that a relationship between males is rejected by Jewish society. That the possibility of such a relationship is raised by Josephus, suggests that Jewish people were aware of the concept of men who wanted such relationships. The concept of a man marrying a man was later also raised in the Jewish Babylonian Talmud of the 3rd to 5th centuries, where it states (in Chulin 92a, b);

Ula said: Non-Jews [litt. Bnei Noach, the progeny of Noah] accepted upon themselves thirty mitzvot [divinely ordered laws] but they only abide by three of them: the first one is that they do not write marriage documents for male couples, the second one is that they don’t sell dead [human] meat by the pound in stores and the third one is that they respect the Torah.

In the AL ‘article‘ Vines is also quoted as saying –

Committed, long-term same-sex relationships were not an issue in ancient times. It’s a new issue that Christians have not faced before.

This too contrasts with the content of the book A Little Gay History, which seems to allude to historic homosexual relationships that were restricted by celibacy. The book states –

‘Ganymede’ is found as a term describing same-sex relationships in monasteries, where some writers celebrated passionate male-male friendships, but not sexual activity, which was a crime.

Many readers of would not realize these historic facts though. Because of irresponsible journalism, some would likely assume Vines statements are accurate.

Meanwhile, despite the blatant bias of most articles about him, a comment has appeared in the Christian Post, ostensibly written by Vines, with the termerity to complain that the unfavorable bias of an article in the Christian Post, was “journalistically irresponsible.”


Hah. Has Vines never seen all the articles that are biased in the opposite direction? Will he now be complaining about the next article which exhibits the usual bias in his favour?


2 Comments on “Matthew Vines Still Receiving Uncritical Media Attention, Still Misleading People”

  1. David says:

    You know what’s even more ironic? There are few long-term monogamous gay couples. Most of the male homosexual relationships eventually kick out monogamy.

    For lesbians, it’s different story. Less trouble with monogamy, but the break-up rate is several times worse than heterosexual and male homosexual relationships.

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