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Slander

The following is part of feedback received on this blog site recently, from someone who described himself as a gay man.

“Mr [X] comments gave me for the first time in my entire life the deep feeling that God might actually love me”

Troubled by this, I replied as follows –

“… Im very saddened to hear once again the perception that gay people often have; that God may not love them. I dont recall such a perspective being taught in churches Ive attended, and I still find it strange that people believe it, despite the fact that the Christian phrase “love the sinner …” is so widely known. Are you able to help me grasp where the message that “god hates gays” comes from? The only source that comes to my mind is the tiny yet vocal group known as Westborro Baptist Church. Are there any large or mainstream groups that teach that god hates gay people?

God does love you Robert, very much.”

It’s been some days now and Robert has not responded, so I doubt that he will. But Ive continued to ponder where he would have heard the lie that God hates gay people. Certainly there are many good Christians who point out that God hates sin, including gay sex. And certainly there have been Christians of the past who have been inarticulate or just uneducated about what aspects of homosexuality are sinful, and have likely given others the incorrect impression that God hates gay people. But do conservative Christian ministries still say that God hates gays? I cant think of any recent incidences of this. Can you?

So who is keeping the “god hates gays” line alive in today’s broader conversation? From what Ive noticed recently, it’s the gay activists who are keeping it alive. Yesterday I read an article online that included reference to GLBT people, mentioning –

“… a church that calls you abnormal, crazy, “intrinsically disordered,” and asserts that God hates you enough for who you are to send you to an eternal hell …”

And a few days prior, a key leader of the Metropolitan Community ‘Church’ released a statement which said in part –

“We categorically reject the disastrous religious dogma that God wants Christians to hate some people.”

Which of course raises the question – if gay people think that God might hate them, is this belief due to what conservative Christians have expressed, or is it because of what gay activists have expressed? Perhaps it’s increasingly the latter.

 

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3 Comments on “Slander”

  1. Askme says:

    Love your posts. Robert, your are now on my heart and in my prayers as well.

  2. kirksroom says:

    If you want to know why they hate you, it is because they want to act on the impulses you do not consider to be innately wrong, but you state that their version of sex is sinful and admit you don’t know why they even feel the way they do at all. They cannot be accepted into the religion and still enjoy the advantages of being a homosexual. So many people, such as Mark Oshiro, have only found contentness with their lives by forsaking religion because it was the only way for them to embrace themselves.

    They also do not feel you have any right to have an opinion about their sexual orientation anymore than they have a right to talk about heterosexuality. They find all of what you say to be very patronizing. The only thing they want is to be accepted into society, allowed to be fellow Christians and treated as complete equals without people thinking or judging them for what they do in the privacy of their own bedrooms. They find everything you say to be a lot of back-peddling and ignoring of the fundamental fact that heterosexual sex is never disapproved of or thought about when it is in a marriage, yet theirs must be sinful.

    Whether you disagree with this or not, it should be obvious why they feel the way they do.

    • stasisonline says:

      Thanks for the feedback, kirksroom. But the blog post was not about them hating me, or hating conservative Christians. In fact I dont think it specifically claimed that they do hate us. The blog post was more about the notion of whether God hates homosexuals and whether Christians are supposed to hate homosexuals. The blog post was intended to point out that good Christian teaching is that God does not hate homosexuals and that Christians are not supposed to hate homosexuals, and that notions to the contrary, might primarily be straw-man arguments promoted by gay activists.

      I do recognise reality in elements of what you have written in this feedback though. Being a same-sex attracted Christian, is certainly a tough road. But I think it’s a tough road for non-christian homosexuals too. And contrary to what gay activists like to claim, I suspect it’s a tough road being gay even in a society that holds that gay is okay. Life serves up different tough roads for different people. The Bible teaches that difficulties are part of life, and that difficulties are experienced by both the righteous and the unrighteous. And it teaches that sometimes difficulties in life are a good thing, resulting in good fruit being borne.

      Your comment about same-sex attracted Christians being unable to embrace themselves, sounds troubling, and it is troubling. But lets not mistakenly think that heterosexual Christians are free to entirely embrace themselves. Lets keep in mind that the Bible teaches that as human beings, we are made of flesh, and that flesh wants to do wrong. Flesh is inclined towards sin, whether that be sexual immorality, jealousy, pride, theft, selfishness or numerous others. In that sense all Christians are tempted to embrace themselves, and all Christians are called to resist the never ending temptation to sin.

      Lets also remember that Christianity is not supposed to be a feel-good social club. The New Testament depicts Christians as people willing to risk being thrown into prison or even loosing their lives for the sake of their faith, as was a reality at that time. The concept of “privacy of your own bedroom” still carries some validity in that context, I suppose, but only to the extent that sin is not taking place in that privacy. In a Christian context, their are factors involved that are not relevant in a secular context. EG God’s blessing – you dont want a pastor or priest who is sinning in private and does not have God’s blessing on his life. Logically based what we read in Scripture, such a situation would raise worries about whether such a church would loose some of God’s blessing at a corporate level as a result.


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